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If I support Trump, am I a closet Racist?
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"This does not deny the fact that throughout history..." Again, I shouldn't have to post this as it is so blatantly obvious, but no amount of legislation will ever change the past. Justice is supposed to be blind, not wielded for revenge.
There is no absence of opportunity; no law defining which jobs women can or cannot take, no law stating how much women can make or that they can only make a certain percentage of what men make or that men must make a certain percentage more than women... Men and women are on a equal footing.
...so feminists wouldn't possibly tolerate a woman who sexually abused a teenager and paid him large a settlement. Well whatdoyaknow, not only do feminists tolerate just such a rapist, they follow her as an outspoken member of the #metoo movement. No surprise really, that has been the history of feminism. When serial philanderer and accused rapist Bill Clinton was running for president in 92 and 96, the feminists were out in force propping him up.
Already answered, read the quote in my last post.
Wow, what a way to ignore the question. Black people struggle, white people struggle, Asian people struggle, men struggle, women struggle... I guess that means reparations for all!! even thought that isn't remotely the meaning of reparations.
I prefer logic and rationality to unbridled emotion, it keeps me from making erroneous and fanciful assumptions of other people's motivations. My only interest is in equal justice and equality of opportunity, the founding principles of our nation. Catering to the whims of protected classes is a recipe for disaster.
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"There is no absence of opportunity; no law defining which jobs women can or cannot take, no law stating how much women can make or that they can only make a certain percentage of what men make or that men must make a certain percentage more than women... Men and women are on a equal footing." You do not understand that humans do not follow the law like a robot. Even governments break the law, that does not mean that laws are everything. If everybody does not comply or agree with the law, they can easily use loopholes to go around it. Yes, the wealth disparity between men and women are becoming increasingly inapparent, but this is not the only issue women face.
"...so feminists wouldn't possibly tolerate a woman who sexually abused a teenager and paid him large a settlement. Well whatdoyaknow, not only do feminists tolerate just such a rapist, they follow her as an outspoken member of the #metoo movement. No surprise really, that has been the history of feminism. When serial philanderer and accused rapist Bill Clinton was running for president in 92 and 96, the feminists were out in force propping him up. " Wow, play the victim card. Feminists understand that women are the sexual abuser, but this is so rare. There are still people who do not believe men can be raped or sexualized. We do not deny the fact that it is happening at all, but nobody is stoping men from creating their own #MeToo movement. If you are so deeply affected by it then you start a movement, simple. Stand up for what you believe in.
"Wow, what a way to ignore the question. Black people struggle, white people struggle, Asian people struggle, men struggle, women struggle... I guess that means reparations for all!! even thought that isn't remotely the meaning of reparations." Victim card again here. The point isn't who struggles. Tell me how many white men were unlawfully stoped by police? How many unarmed men were shot and killed last year? How many African American? I bet you have never heard of Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, or Eric Garner. Watch this video and tell me how many white folks deal with issues like this?
I am not saying it does not happen but look at the disparity. Black people are 3x more likely to be killed by the police. 30% of black victims who were killed in 2015 were UNARMED. Fewer than 1/3rd of black people killed in 2014 were suspected of a crime. Cities with higher crime rates do not make it more likely to be black and be killed by the police. 99% of cases have not resulted in the officers being convicted. Now, after seeing all these statistics, tell me that white people face the same issues and to this magnitude. Black people are being stripped of their freedom and even right to live.
"I prefer logic and rationality to unbridled emotion, it keeps me from making erroneous and fanciful assumptions of other people's motivations. My only interest is in equal justice and equality of opportunity, the founding principles of our nation. Catering to the whims of protected classes is a recipe for disaster." That is your opinion, and respect that, however you are generalizing. The topic of this debate is "if i support trump am i a closet racist". I voted no. On god the majority of trump supporters I have personally met, unfortunately, are racist. Many are in my extended family in fact. This does not give me the right to say all trump supporters are racist. You are making an absurd statement by calling feminists sexist and the black lives matter movement racist. They are standing for something you believe in, yet you disvalue their movement?? You are just contradicting yourself.
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Of course you're trying to use the past to justify current victimhood status, why else would you bother to bring it up? If you want to prove discrimination, quote current discriminatory laws. Your objective, as I've maintained all along is equality of outcome, to which NO ONE is entitled.
...and again you prove you think you're entitled to equality of outcome. That is NOT the role of our government. The last thing the government should be doing is picking winners and losers. If there are actual loopholes based on race, sex, etc., feel free to share them. The only ones I know of are the quotas set up by Affirmative Action, which should be abolished.
...the victim card?!? That is the basis for YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT. Women are victims; blacks are victims; EVERYBODY is a victim, everybody except white, heterosexual, Christian, males; but they're a minority who's membership is dwindling, so they deserve to be protected like every other minority, right?
I do stand up for what I believe in, which is equal opportunity under the law. That's why I cannot support Black Lives Matter or feminism or the promotion of any other protected class.
There would be no Black Lives Matter without the victim card.
Trayvon Martin?!? I thought you were talking about how blacks are treated by cops; which, it turns out, is about the same as they treat whites.
https://townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/2018/06/28/criminal-behavior-not-racism-explains-racial-disparities-in-crime-stats-n2495148
Uh-oh;
I'm not making any generalizations and I certainly don't share the goals of Black Lives Matter or feminism. I support equal opportunity and equality under the law. By your own admission, Black Lives Matter seeks preferential treatment to atone for grievances of by-gone days. Likewise feminism. That is what makes Black Lives Matter racist and feminism sexist. As, I have consistently said, equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome.
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First of all, I would disagree. You think it is not the role of our government to support equality and freedom for all? Explain to me what is the role of our government then? Speaking of, trump is doing an excellent job and creating wars between each other in America. Again you have to be in the shoes of those affected to understand. You are entitled. If your biggest issue is government intervening, fine. Black lives matter and feminists also attempt to educate people like you who don't believe that their is an inequality.
"...the victim card?!? That is the basis for YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT. Women are victims; blacks are victims; EVERYBODY is a victim, everybody except white, heterosexual, Christian, males; but they're a minority who's membership is dwindling, so they deserve to be protected like every other minority, right?
I do stand up for what I believe in, which is equal opportunity under the law. That's why I cannot support Black Lives Matter or feminism or the promotion of any other protected class." I'm not even going to comment on that, that is your opinion.
"I thought you were talking about how blacks are treated by cops; which, it turns out, is about the same as they treat whites" Another talking point that can't stand up to reality. This is where your ignorance shows a flaw in every argument you have put up so far. People like you use rhetoric in an attempt to defend your side but it will not work. Look at the numbers. There are nearly 160 million more white people in America than there are black people. And if you know anything about percentages you will see a difference. White people make up roughly 62 % of the U.S. population while African American people make up about 13 %. U.S. police officers have shot and killed the exact same number of unarmed white people as they have unarmed black people: 50 each. But because the white population is approximately five times larger than the black population, that means unarmed black Americans were five times as likely as unarmed white Americans to be shot and killed by a police officer in 2015. It is important that the news sites you use are unbiased because they contain rhetoric in an attempt to filter the reality that you see. I'm beginning to think you're just a white supremacist.
https://townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/2018/06/28/criminal-behavior-not-racism-explains-racial-disparities-in-crime-stats-n2495148"Uh-oh;"
Come back to me when you can use an unbiased source which is not filled with rhetoric. And just a word of advice, don't believe every single thing you hear on the internet.
Look, since you like "logic and rational" thinking, you would know that equal opportunity does not equal equal outcome. For example, Africa is the richest continent on planet earth, yet they have the poorest economy in the world because of past AND current struggles. They will stay this way without outside investment which is "unequal opportunity" per say. Another example, if you commit a fraud (penalty) in ANY sport in existence explain to me why they are penalized. It is to make the game FAIR and EQUAL. You are contradicting yet again. You cannot support equality yet beg to stay superior by not allowing equality.
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Time for me to get back on after my break. So here's my new argument.
"You really think Lebron doesn't "f*ck with white people"? A lot of his teammates who he calls his family are white. That source you attached does not exist by the way."
I edited it, so it should work.
Also, you personally think he is unintelligent??"
When you sit there and think Hillary being the best idea for president and thinking she should have REALLY won, it screams "unintelligent".
"And that tweet clearly shows trump calling Lebron dumb."
How? In what
"At most he saw the MAGA hat and gave him a bad look. How is that disrespecting?"
It is not respectful to give someone a bad look, its negative expression of not liking that person. It was as if he pretended like he was not even there and did not DARE to look at one of his fans, basically he was shunning him.
"You cannot justify Trumps actions by saying Lebron is a bad person."
I'm not justifying Trump's actions, I'm making it clear that he was not talking about Lebron, but Don Lemon, how difficult is it to comprehend?
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"When you sit there and think Hillary being the best idea for president and thinking she should have REALLY won, it screams "unintelligent" So just because he is sharing his opinion, this screams unintelligent? Well I learned something new today.
"How? In what" Trump says that the interviewee made Lebron sound smart which isn't easy to do. Do you understand what he is implying? I shouldn't have to explain that to you.
"It is not respectful to give someone a bad look, its negative expression of not liking that person. It was as if he pretended like he was not even there and did not DARE to look at one of his fans, basically he was shunning him." Fine, lets say it was disrespectful. Have you ever gave somebody who you disagree a bad look? That does not make him a bad person for doing that. Anyone who knows Lebron also knows his strong political views and his opinion on the president. And I don't blame Lebron for thinking so. Trump has publicly attacked Lebron and his friends twice and Trump is very controversial towards African Americans. Why should Lebron be happy to see a supporter of Trump? The bottom line is, giving one person a bad look should not reflect on your personality as being a bad person.. The impact Lebron James has had on so many lives, outweighs this dirty look.
"I'm not justifying Trump's actions, I'm making it clear that he was not talking about Lebron, but Don Lemon, how difficult is it to comprehend?" Fair enough. Maybe I and Lebron himself are interpreting it in a different way than you. I also think the timing of this tweet was also pretty bad as it was right after Lebron built an affordable school for children.
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""I edited it, so it should work." ok... still defends my point"
Kek. What point? You didn't make a point.
"When you sit there and think Hillary being the best idea for president and thinking she should have REALLY won, it screams "unintelligent" So just because he is sharing his opinion, this screams unintelligent? Well I learned something new today."
He said it in a form of being factual, not in an opinion.
"How? In what" Trump says that the interviewee made Lebron sound smart which isn't easy to do. Do you understand what he is implying? I shouldn't have to explain that to you.
I'm pretty sure Trump did not mean that Lebron was dumb, most likely that making someone look smart is not simple. The media just made assumptions (for which you also believe) that Trump was insulting the intelligence of Lebron, neither are smarter than each other, but for one thing, Lebron is not the brightest person, I would also wonder how high his IQ would be.
"It is not respectful to give someone a bad look, its negative expression of not liking that person. It was as if he pretended like he was not even there and did not DARE to look at one of his fans, basically he was shunning him." Fine, lets say it was disrespectful. Have you ever gave somebody who you disagree a bad look? That does not make him a bad person for doing that. Anyone who knows Lebron also knows his strong political views and his opinion on the president. And I don't blame Lebron for thinking so. Trump has publicly attacked Lebron and his friends twice and Trump is very controversial towards African Americans. Why should Lebron be happy to see a supporter of Trump? The bottom line is, giving one person a bad look should not reflect on your personality as being a bad person.. The impact Lebron James has had on so many lives, outweighs this dirty look.
For the first question, no, however if someone had said something insulting, then the case would be different.
"Trump is very controversial towards African Americans."
What evidence would support your assertion on this?
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I'm pretty sure Trump did not mean that Lebron was dumb, most likely that making someone look smart is not simple. The media just made assumptions (for which you also believe) that Trump was insulting the intelligence of Lebron, neither are smarter than each other, but for one thing, Lebron is not the brightest person, I would also wonder how high his IQ would be. Okay, but you have to at least admit that he was insulting Lebron there. If you say its not easy to make someone look smart, that is no different from calling somebody dumb. And if you want to go into a debate over who is smarter; Lebron or Trump, I wouldn't say Trump is very smart himself. There has been many to criticize his intelligence and professionalism. [1] Like just listening to his public talks, he talks with such unprofessionalism and immature at times some of his common phrases being things like; "many many billions of dollars", "I think I am, actually humble. I think I'm much more humble than you would understand." —"60 Minutes" interview, July 17, 2016, "My fingers are long and beautiful, as, it has been well been documented, are various other parts of my body.", “I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things." —when asked on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” whom he talks with consistently about foreign policy, March 16, 2016. Genuinely, you would expect these quotes to be coming from an elementary student. Don't get me wrong, I can't say Trump is necessarily dumb or unintelligent, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to make all the money he has. But he is not fit to be president, and he is however, very naive in certain topics, and is just very unprofessional.
For the first question, no, however if someone had said something insulting, then the case would be different. Thats the point, Lebron is insulted by this mans hat. That hat represents a man who's morals and intentions are potentially dangerous to Lebron and his family and loved friends. If anything, Lebron is a saint for only giving this man a bad look. He could have easily said something bad to him or smacked the cap off his head, but he instead gave him a look and continued entertaining him, and making his money worth while.
What evidence would support your assertion on this? Look, I intentionally didn't say he is racist towards African Americans because some of you Trump supporters don't believe he is. Fine I will reason with that. I do have a problem if you can't admit that he is at the least controversial towards African Americans. The only evidence I need to give you is this statistic: 82% of the African Americans who voted voted for Hillary compared to 8% who voted for Trump. [2] There has never been such a disparity in election history. Now, are you telling me that this year African Americans were spontaneously all just crazy or something? Even since his inauguration his disapproval rate from the African American population has increased further. There is not a good relationship between Trump and the African American community and it is not just for no reason.
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I'm certain I've already stated that the proper role of the government is to ensure equality of opportunity, and that the government should have no role in picking winners and losers. That equality of outcome is antithetical to the founding principles of our nation. Yes, I'm sure I've said that many times already.
Actually, Trump IS doing a decent job of repairing the damage to race relations caused by 0bama, which is why his approval among blacks is the highest of any Republican since Dole in 96.
So somehow twice as many white people are shot by police as black people equates to as many black people as shot as white people?!? Math is obviously not your strong suit; no surprise as feelings play no role in that science. And, of course, you ignore the fact that black suspects were also as likely to shoot at police as be shot at. Just a guess, but I suspect that would account for the discrepancies.
If you're going to resort to logic fallacies like ad hominems, it's really time to reevaluate your position. Next time take better aim when trying to shoot the messenger. The quote I posted was taken directly from finding by the Department of Justice's Bureau of Justice Statistics.
Africa is the poorest continent because they have the highest corruption. Africans are unwilling to help themselves. No amount of investment will do any significant good until that issue is sorted out. Your sports game analogy also fails. Your proposal, or at least that of Black Lives Matter and feminism, is to start games by giving advantages to certain teams. It would be like starting a baseball game by giving one team 3 or 4 home runs. No sport does that, bookies do that but not the actual leagues. The teams start at 0, and whoever has the highest score (or lowest, in the case of golf) at the end wins. Equality of opportunity.
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Actually, Trump IS doing a decent job of repairing the damage to race relations caused by 0bama, which is why his approval among blacks is the highest of any Republican since Dole in 96. Show me the facts then. Don't tell me Obama caused more racial tension then Trump. The only racial issues Obama caused was white supremacists not being okay with a black man running the country. On the other hand, Trump is attacking all races other than his own. That is the difference. And you say his approval rating is the highest since 96?? You have been looking at those polls which include 2,000 people and are all Trump supporters. Show me an unbiased, factual statistic that shows his approval rating among African Americans are high, and I will believe you.
And, of course, you ignore the fact that black suspects were also as likely to shoot at police as be shot at. So you admit to the fact that by population, African Americans are more targeted than whites if i'm not mistaken. And you admit that more innocent African Americans are targeted unfairly. Thank you. Just to repeat what you said, you are for equality yet you support inequality? And people who take a role in activism for their equality are suddenly sexist and racist?
If you're going to resort to logic fallacies like ad hominems, it's really time to reevaluate your position. Next time take better aim when trying to shoot the messenger. The quote I posted was taken directly from finding by the Department of Justice's Bureau of Justice Statistics. Still a bias site. They use statistics and rhetoric to portray their opinion on a topic. Didn't you learn about media bias in grade school? Or as your God Trump calls it "fake news". The whole premise of your article is this; Black people commit more crimes, and that is the justification for why they are shot at more. And you support that?
Africa is the poorest continent because they have the highest corruption. Africans are unwilling to help themselves. No amount of investment will do any significant good until that issue is sorted out. That is true, however, cash investments are not the only way they can be helped. Clearly education is the biggest thing Africa lacks. Working with governments directly and diligently to build schools is not difficult.
Your sports game analogy also fails. Your proposal, or at least that of Black Lives Matter and feminism, is to start games by giving advantages to certain teams. It would be like starting a baseball game by giving one team 3 or 4 home runs. No sport does that, bookies do that but not the actual leagues. The teams start at 0, and whoever has the highest score (or lowest, in the case of golf) at the end wins. Equality of opportunity. HAHA wowwww, wait to show your true colors. So my sports analogy is actually correct but you are not understanding it. The game started from the beginning unfairly. The global economy started off of slavery. So the beginning of your baseball game is already 1-0. If you know anything about compounding, the multiple over centuries adds up. So us whites start the baseball game ahead, and continue to to play with all our latest technology baseball bats, and gloves while our "opponents" are using no glove and a stick as a bat. And you say it would be unfair to give them 3 or 4 runs?? If you want to talk about unfair, talk about the centuries of the past and the present of playing unfair. Same applies to women. I'm sure you know about women not being allowed to accept high-earning jobs or pursue their dreams throughout all of history. The saying the rich get richer is undeniable and will remain this way unless something is changed. I recommend you look into the term "compounding" and then relate it to African American men and women compared to white men.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/08/16/trump-approval-rating-african-americans-rasmussen-poll/1013212002/
...so now Gallup and USA Today are Trump supporting sites?!? You need to stop swimming in the left-wing internet sewer.
No, that's not what "black suspects were also as likely to shoot at police as be shot at" means, nor what this means; "We benchmark two years of fatal shooting data on 2016 crime rate estimates. When adjusting for crime, we find no systematic evidence of anti-black disparities in fatal shootings, fatal shootings of unarmed citizens, or fatal shootings involving misidentification of harmless objects."
I know you can read. I know you know damn well what you posted is garbage. What I quoted isn't their opinion, it is the findings of a 2001 study by the Department of Justice's Bureau of Justice. I suppose some people prefer to wallow in their ignorance rather than face reality.
ROLF at your naiveté. Working with what governments? African governments? They aren't in control of much of the continent; local warlords international gangs and terrorists are. I'm sure Boko Harum will be fully supportive of your cause, which brings up another stumbling block to your fantasy is religion. The areas with the lowest education index are Muslim countries that are hardly supportive of human rights like education, going so far as to ban women from schools.
I don't know anything about compounding more than it fails a reality check. Asians were brought to the US as slaves. As late as the early to mid 40s they were being rounded up and their property and belongings confiscated by the government en mass. Today, they have the highest household income of any ethnicity in the US, nearly 25% higher than whites. Did they rise to the top by using affirmative action? No, in fact affirmative action is holding them back;
https://www.thedailybeast.com/affirmative-action-who-does-it-help-who-does-it-hurt
...and once again you fall back on the farce of equality of outcome with "throughout all of history"...
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Implementing discriminatory measures such as affirmative action or quotas in response to societal inequality merely furthers the problem, rather than solving it. Consider this train of though:
- Black people on average are less competitive when applying to universities, than white people, as a result of discrimination.
- Hence, we need to accept disproportionally more black people to make up for that discrimination.
What really happened? Did the problem of black people being less competitive get addressed? No, their qualification is still lacking. But now you also introduced the discrimination against non-black people, whose qualification will be ignored in favor of less qualified people who happen to have the "right" skin color.
No discrimination has been addressed, but a new form of discrimination has been added. The society became more discriminatory, not less. This is the opposite of what equality is supposed to achieve.
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The real solution to the problem of inequality would be this: finding the source of lack of the Black people's qualification and addressing that source. Make it so black people are as qualified as everyone else when they apply for a higher education program. Do not try to mask this lack of qualification by favoring black applicants; make this lack of qualification not exist in the first place.
Otherwise we will never get anywhere, and even 1000 years ago, when everyone will be able to change their race instantly for a couple of bucks, we will still be bickering about such an irrelevant category as "race".
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...so now Gallup and USA Today are Trump supporting sites?!? You need to stop swimming in the left-wing internet sewer. All i am saying is that polls are not accurate unless the number of people who voted is high. Twitter is a democrat-dominated social media source and if you go to the comment section of any Donald Trump post you will see that. Most polls on twitter will say that Trump's approval rate is plummeting. So all i'm saying is these polls are not very reliable.
No, that's not what "black suspects were also as likely to shoot at police as be shot at" means, nor what this means; "We benchmark two years of fatal shooting data on 2016 crime rate estimates. When adjusting for crime, we find no systematic evidence of anti-black disparities in fatal shootings, fatal shootings of unarmed citizens, or fatal shootings involving misidentification of harmless objects." Wow, okay. So you think that African Americans are just overreacting??
I know you can read. I know you know damn well what you posted is garbage. What I quoted isn't their opinion, it is the findings of a 2001 study by the Department of Justice's Bureau of Justice. I suppose some people prefer to wallow in their ignorance rather than face reality. okay no need to be savage here, lets stay civil. Again, so you're saying African Americans are just overreacting?
ROLF at your naiveté. Working with what governments? African governments? They aren't in control of much of the continent; local warlords international gangs and terrorists are. I'm sure Boko Harum will be fully supportive of your cause, which brings up another stumbling block to your fantasy is religion. The areas with the lowest education index are Muslim countries that are hardly supportive of human rights like education, going so far as to ban women from schools. I've never seen such a naive comment. This is why people call Americans dumb. I'm guessing you have never been to Africa nor do you know much about their history or how their government runs today. Many countries in Africa are safer than anywhere in the United States. You cannot say Africa is full of warlords and gangs and terrorists. You sound exactly like Trump by generalizing and I now understand why you like him. Just because three out of the fifty four countries are dangerous and contain these terrorists and warlords does not mean the whole Africa does. You do know Africa is a continent right? Besides all this, so you believe all stable, first world countries should just sit there with their hands in their pockets and watch Africa struggle? Your logical arguments can only take you so far, but you lack any sense of empathy. Since MAGA nation enjoys profit so much, even a deal can be made where the United States profits from this weather its with money, assets, equities, alliance, etc.
P.s. Not all muslims don't support human rights.
I don't know anything about compounding more than it fails a reality check. Asians were brought to the US as slaves. As late as the early to mid 40s they were being rounded up and their property and belongings confiscated by the government en mass. Today, they have the highest household income of any ethnicity in the US, nearly 25% higher than whites. Did they rise to the top by using affirmative action? No, in fact affirmative action is holding them back; That is a fair point and I do agree with you here 100%, however how many more black slaves were there as opposed to Asian slaves? Asian immigration dates back to the 1850's?? You cannot compare their affect compared to African Americans. Also, In all of Asia education was highly valued, so as more immigrated to the United States, they were not getting slave descendants, they were getting well educated, cultured Asians. African Americans on the other hand, were mostly slave descendants, with centuries without aid of reparations.
You said you don't know about compounding. Here is what it does. When Franklin died in 1790, he left a gift of $5,000 to each of his two favorite cities, Boston and Philadelphia. He stipulated that the money was to be invested and could be paid out at two specific dates, the first 100 years and the second 200 years after the date of the gift. After 100 years, each city was allowed to withdraw $500,000 for public works projects. After 200 years, in 1991, they received the balance—which had compounded to approximately $20 million for each city. Franklin’s example teaches all of us, in a dramatic way, the power of compounding. As Franklin himself liked to describe the benefits of compounding, “Money makes money. And the money that money makes, makes money”. (Over time, money grows)
The same applied to races over the years. Go ask any economist in the existence, no matter how racist they are, and they will agree with this.
and once again you fall back on the farce of equality of outcome with "throughout all of history"... So history does not matter? I provided you with an example of how compounding works, so believe it or not, history does effect the present.
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You have NEVER heard me say white people are superior to black people, or anyone else for that matter, because that isn't something I believe. Every person should be judged on their own faults and merits.
Considering only 2 nations on the entire continent (Botswana and the archipelago of Cape Verde) make it into the top 25% of least corrupt countries, it seems the primary system of government is the kleptocracy.
In fact, travel is discouraged in most of the continent
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I understand the desire to have support groups for discriminated minorities, and those support groups, indeed, should exist - however, I do not think they should function nearly the way they function nowadays. Nor should they position themselves as champions of the particular group's rights; rather, they should promote global equality regardless of any categories.
The problem with support groups such as BLM is that they perpetuate segregation of minorities, which, in turn, perpetuates the discrimination. It is somewhat similar to a "club of anonymous alcoholics": while the idea seems noble on paper, in practice it actually reinforces the participant's identity: "I am an alcoholic and I am trying to stop being one", rather than "I am not an alcoholic and it is in my past" - hence perpetuating the person's mindset that associates them with an alcoholic. It is similar here: BLM tells black people, "You are black, you are being discriminated. You as a group should fight for your rights" - perpetuating the "I am black" identity, rather than "I am a person, just like anyone else" identity, and contributing to mutual segregation and discrimination.
In a truly equal society, people should not identify as "White/Black/Asian/Latino", "Heterosexual/Homosexual/Bisexual/Asexual", "Atheist/Muslim/Buddhist/Christian", "Man/Woman/Transman/Transwoman"... These should be descriptory characteristics, but not identity characteristics. They should play the same role in a social interaction and in self-identification as the hair color, eye color, breast size, height, voice pitch - aspects of a person, but not definitive characteristics of the person. Unfortunately, with the way minority rights movements are these days, the arrival of this equal society is more delayed by them than accelerated.
I think the model championed by major worldwide human rights organizations, such as Human Rights Watch, Reporters Without Borders and Freedom House, is the right way to go in that direction. These organizations do not target groups of people; instead, they target systematic nation-wide or globe-wide trends that create discrimination in the first place and work hard on advocating for their abortion. Everyone affected by their work positively feels like a worthy person, not like one of the labels, such as race or gender.
I, for one, treat everyone like a person deserving respect (or if I believe that someone does not deserve respect due to their words or actions, I avoid interacting with them). In my social circles there are quite a few minorities of different kinds - and, rather than showing excessive compassion and pity, I just treat them like I do anyone else, never paying any mind to their external features. This is the way to go, in my opinion. Identity politics perpetuate the existing problems; denouncing the concept of identity based on external features itself is what solves them.
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"Americanism not Globalism, will be our credo." ~Donald Trump
"A communist is like a crocodile" ~Winston Churchill
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So yea I agree, however I think the biggest issue is the miscommunication in my opinion
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Hillary has been in politics for over two decades, she has an excellent education and experience in law and economics, she is a woman of an incredible talent and intelligence. You may disagree with her policies, but she certainly is suitable to be a president.
Trump, on the other hand, is a real estate trader and a showman who can barely say a sentence that makes any sense. So yes, Hillary is certainly a few orders of magnitude beyond his lever, and is far more fit to be a president than him.
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You have NEVER heard me say white people are superior to black people, or anyone else for that matter, because that isn't something I believe. Every person should be judged on their own faults and merits. You did not say it DIRECTLY, that you are right about.
This is why people say millennials have no grasp of reality. According to the UN, only 5 of the 54 African countries have lower homicide rates than the US. They are Morocco, Sierra Leone, Algeria, Tunisia, and Senegal. Nearly half of those (Senegal and Tunisia) are based on UN estimates because the governments are too dysfunctional to generate official statistics. Together, those 5 nations represent less than 12% of Africa. Yea talk about not having a grasp of reality.. I'm guessing you looked that up in just a few minutes and didn't even attempt to look closely at the details. I can tell you off the top of my head that statistic is not even close. I can tell you off the top of my head, Burkina Faso, Ghana, Tanzania, Malawi, and Mauritius all most likely have a lower homicide rate than the US. Go ahead and look it up. You are right about the governments being not accurate enough to generate official statistics and estimations are made for probably nearly every country in Africa. I have actually lived in multiple countries in Africa, so you cannot tell me I do not know what I am talking about while you are basing your logic off a quick internet search. Now, if you are talking about homicide rates over since data was first being collected then you may be right because many of the countries in Africa were plagued with war, however, recently Africa is becoming a very safe continent and at least you don't have to worry about getting shot at in a school if you live in Africa today.
Considering only 2 nations on the entire continent (Botswana and the archipelago of Cape Verde) make it into the top 25% of least corrupt countries, it seems the primary system of government is the kleptocracy. This i cannot deny, African leaders and governments are very corrupt and needs to change.
In fact, travel is discouraged in most of the continent Ahhh this.... If whoever made this statement judged the United States as they did for Africa, they could say the same about quite a bit of the United States. The American Embassy has a priority to ensure the safety of its own people. And sometimes they can be a bit overprotected. They warn us about even the smallest things such as even buying local sachet water which I drink all the time, or taking local taxi's which is no more dangerous than taking an Uber in New York City. There are certain areas where thing are actually very dangerous, but same as in the US. Also, most of the actual dangerous areas occur in cities, not countries. So to say travel is discouraged in most of the continent is a joke and is unfortunately ignorant. So again, the internet can be a great place, but it can be misleading at times.
I never said they did. This discussion would go a lot more quickly and smoothly if you stuck to what I actually said instead of making thing up. I am sticking to what you said. You said "The areas with the lowest education index are Muslim countries that are hardly supportive of human rights like education, going so far as to ban women from schools." Correct me if i'm wrong but you are implying that "Muslim countries" where the population is majority Muslim hardly support human rights? You said it not me.
You missed the point entirely. The Asians didn't need or receive a government assistance to achieve their status, in fact the government has never stopped trying to hold them back. Additionally as you pointed out, Asians value education as opposed to Africans and African Americans. Exactly, Asians did not need or receive government assistance. Tell me what would've happened if the laws of owning a slave never changed? If it was still fully legal to own a black slave? They needed governmental intervening to remove this. Black people were working for no pay, had no weapons to retaliate against, while white people were going to their home countries in Africa and literally taking them. There was no other way around that if you ask me.
And yes I pointed out Asians valued education as opposed to African Americans. So what's your point?
I meant compounding as you're unsuccessfully trying to relate it to socioeconomic structures. If there was any validity to your theory; blacks, women, etc would have fewer freedoms. That is clearly not the case. So no, history doesn't matter, not the way you're trying to use it. Of course history doesn't matter to you, were not affected, and have a privilege. Compounding directly relates to socioeconomic structures I don't know what you're talking about. Again, look more into what compounding is then argue against it. Look at the wealth gap in America for example, that is due to compounding. Rich get richer. Those with assets typically increase the value of assets. Now go back few hundred years ago. White men were the only race allowed to own property. Property is an asset. The same house that costed $500 dollars back in 1900s was improved and its value rose and is worth $200,000 today. Property is only one example. White men were the only ones working high paying jobs. He receive $100,000 in his lifetime, he puts $10,000 in a trust fund for each of his sons and passes away. His sons are now born into "wealth" and inherit his fathers assets. All this is occurring while women become housewives and are discouraged from doing much more. Black men work their whole lives only to be incentivized by a whip on the back on just enough food and water to continue picking cotton for his owner. Compound that for many years until they are finally allowed to work. Today, the number of black CEO's or women CEO's are still microscopic compared to white men. Compounding continues even after all these years. I am in no way saying to fire all these white CEOs and put women and African Americans in those positions, but I am saying to give equal opportunity. And yet you are still denying the fact that even history plays a part? Go talk to any economist still breathing about the socioeconomic structures from compounding and then come back to me.
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Because Obama was inflaming racial tensions when he should have been trying to reduce them.
You make too many erroneous assumptions. In fact, from now on I'm going to delete all of your delete all of your strawmen and the baseless assumptions from your replies and just respond to what's left, if anything.
This is total and utter ВЏ└└ﻛⱨὶͳ!! Just because I'm not a self-loathing anti-white bigot like you in no way makes me a white supremacist. I couldn't care less about a person's race. In your twisted view of reality that means I'm a white supremacist.
Of course I can't tell you that, you won't listen to reality. The UN is just another organization bent on white supremacy. The map of homicide rates comes from a 2013 UN study, probably about the time you say you were there. The only major event to have occurred since then is that Libya has since descended into chaos, like so many other African nations, as a result of NATO operations to topple the Qaddafi regime. Take off the rose-colored glasses and see the world as it really is, not how you feel it should be.
It funny, I looked at the other continents on that site, and there isn't a single one that has a map of where travel is discouraged. No surprise, since the site is there TO PROMOTE TRAVEL.
https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Main_Page
You're not sticking to what I said, you're embellishing what I said beyond reality ... again. Not every citizen may support their government. The US government says every citizen can own a firearm for self-defense. Does that mean every US citizen supports that judgment?
"Tell me what would've happened if the laws of owning a slave never changed?" Then we'd still have black slaves. We'd still have Asian slaves. We'd still have white slaves. "The Scots-Irish have been enslaved longer than any other race in the world’s history." Why is it that only black people need and/or are deserving of an extra hand in overcoming their history of slavery?
How will African Americans ever rise to the top tiers of American life if they don't value knowledge?
History matters a great deal to me, but as a lesson to learn from for the future, not as an excuse for preferential treatment. Your compounding fantasy still cannot stand up to reality. "70% of wealthy families lose their wealth by the second generation, and a stunning 90% by the third, according to the Williams Group wealth consultancy." This explains why only 1 of the top 10 richest people, the Mars family, inherited their wealth. The rest were all self-made. Squandering a fortune is a story so familiar that it almost seems obligatory. How many times have we heard about a former sports star, lottery winner, actor/actress, etc. that is now penniless? You can't force people to be successful.
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Because Obama was inflaming racial tensions when he should have been trying to reduce them. Where is the proof of this. This is totally made up and you are literally the only person who thinks this. If you want to talk about a president inflaming racial tensions look at Trump.
You make too many erroneous assumptions. In fact, from now on I'm going to delete all of your delete all of your strawmen and the baseless assumptions from your replies and just respond to what's left, if anything. Okay, I apologize for making assumptions, its uncalled for I will admit.
This is total and utter ВЏ└└ﻛⱨὶͳ!! Just because I'm not a self-loathing anti-white bigot like you in no way makes me a white supremacist. I couldn't care less about a person's race. In your twisted view of reality that means I'm a white supremacist. If you couldn't care less about a persons race, why is it such a big deal to you for black lives matter to exist?
Of course I can't tell you that, you won't listen to reality. The UN is just another organization bent on white supremacy. The map of homicide rates comes from a 2013 UN study, probably about the time you say you were there. The only major event to have occurred since then is that Libya has since descended into chaos, like so many other African nations, as a result of NATO operations to topple the Qaddafi regime. Take off the rose-colored glasses and see the world as it really is, not how you feel it should be. loll. Again, as i said if that data is based on homicide rates over 50 years or so, then that data is accurate, however, I would be questioning it if it is comparing homicide rates in 2013 alone.
It funny, I looked at the other continents on that site, and there isn't a single one that has a map of where travel is discouraged. No surprise, since the site is there TO PROMOTE TRAVEL. https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Main_Page Its funny, I was talking about the American Embassy not a wiki page promoting travel. Not sure why you brought that up.. Go look at American Embassy travel cautions on their .gov websites and read the long list of things they warn U.S. citizens about when traveling to African countries. Again, I understand why they warn U.S. citizens because they care deeply about us, however, they are overprotective of us being outside the United States.
You're not sticking to what I said, you're embellishing what I said beyond reality ... again. Not every citizen may support their government. The US government says every citizen can own a firearm for self-defense. Does that mean every US citizen supports that judgment? So according to what you just said, you're implying that MOST Muslims aren't supportive of human rights, not all?
"Tell me what would've happened if the laws of owning a slave never changed?" Then we'd still have black slaves. We'd still have Asian slaves. We'd still have white slaves. "The Scots-Irish have been enslaved longer than any other race in the world’s history." Why is it that only black people need and/or are deserving of an extra hand in overcoming their history of slavery? Play the victim card once again. You are trying so hard to make it seem like African Americans don't have the right to feel like they were betrayed and you keep covering up history with nonsense. It is not even CERTAIN that there were Scottish-Irish slaves so how are you going to say they were the most affected by slavery?? Even if they were the "enslaved longer than any other race in the world's history" was the number of them anywhere near 10 million as it was for African Americans? No offense, but this is why I assume you are a white supremacist.
https://psmag.com/social-justice/the-irish-were-not-slaves
The point is, there were supposedly Portuguese slaves, Asian slaves, and Indian slaves. I am not saying that none of these races don't deserve the attention that black slaves do, in fact Asian slaves are unfortunately is not taught enough in schools. They do also have the right to create a group/movement if they like and if they feel that they are being oppressed, however they are doing fairly well as a race and that is probably why they do not have an Asian lives matter. Black lives matter exists like it or not, and I have now taught you that their goal is not to be superior so you do not have to worry. I do not see why you shame their group nor even support it. I will not force you or whatever, but you have no reason to call it racist.
How will African Americans ever rise to the top tiers of American life if they don't value knowledge? They wont. Historically, they were not given a choice to value education. If you look at the numbers and the media, education is becoming increasingly encouraged and prominent in the African American community, so education (not knowledge) does play a large part in the development of a society and it is increasing.
History matters a great deal to me, but as a lesson to learn from for the future, not as an excuse for preferential treatment. Your compounding fantasy still cannot stand up to reality. "70% of wealthy families lose their wealth by the second generation, and a stunning 90% by the third, according to the Williams Group wealth consultancy." This explains why only 1 of the top 10 richest people, the Mars family, inherited their wealth. The rest were all self-made. Squandering a fortune is a story so familiar that it almost seems obligatory. How many times have we heard about a former sports star, lottery winner, actor/actress, etc. that is now penniless? You can't force people to be successful. "Compounding fantasy" lol. As I said, go talk to any breathing economist and he/she will enlighten you. You like to bring up this word reality as if there is only one truth and it is your truth, but sorry to say everyone can be wrong - including you. "70% of wealthy families lose their wealth by the second generation, and a stunning 90% by the third, according to the Williams Group wealth consultancy." If you would educate yourself on compounding before coming at me with nonsense like this you will understand that this is an argument towards my point. 70% of wealthy families lose their wealth by the second generation. Did you ever stop to question yourself, where does the wealth go? Straight into the hands of a family who can afford it. Who can afford it? Most likely a person who has the assets/money to venture out and expand his wealth. Do you know how wealth is created or transferred?? This point still applies to compounding so thank you for helping me. Wealth is transferred very often, that you are right about. This year we saw a new generation of millionaires who were computer nerds who were lucky enough to invest in Bitcoin early and are now self made millionaires. That is just one example. Most of the wealthiest come from business however and it is still abnormal to have an African American leading a large business. I have mentioned this before, but there are things which laws can't change which Black lives matter are trying to shed light on. Things like stereotypes, motivation, and black entrepreneurship investments which are trying to break the barriers of this race wealth gap. Before you make another unnecessary argument, enlighten yourself on what "fantasy" compounding is, and then you can say something meaningful.
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What "mess" are we in again? Last I checked, America has been more prosperous in the last few decades than it had ever been before.
Maybe it is you who is in the mess, due to the same flaws that make you support a person who cannot even speak coherently? For many of us, America is as close to the heaven on Earth as it can get at the moment, and we genuinely do not understand what all the fuzz is about.
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I'm "literally" the only one who thinks so?!? LOL,
https://www.amgreatness.com/2018/09/14/why-black-voters-are-turning-to-trump/
I don't care about Black Lives matter any more than I care about La Raza, the Ku Klux Klan, or any other racist identity politics group. As social groups, people can do what they want, but these racist groups should play no role in policy.
Nope, almost all of the findings come from 2012. If you have something better, and something more than your feelings, please post it.
I'm not implying anything, you're inferring, and poorly again. My only point was that you can hardly expect a country to be able to compete academically when half the population is prohibited from enrolling in education.
Ah, the standard "never let the facts get in the way of a good narrative" reply. How dare anyone other than blacks and women try to play the victim card. Those are the only true grievance groups. Thus spake @beckysmith. No offense, but this is why I believe you're really a black woman.
Your link doesn't say the Irish weren't forced into servitude, quite the opposite it admits they were, they just weren't called slaves, they were called indentured servants. And of course there weren't 10 million Irish slaves, there aren't 10 million Irishmen now, are you really trying to compare the population of an island to the population of a continent?
The goal of Black Lives Matter is to gain special advantages for a race of people to which they're not entitled based on merit. They are, by definition, a racist organization. I don't tolerate racism, it's a pity you do.
Oh, so then we can start rolling back the special considerations weren't making to the black community. They deserve fewer protections, not more.
There are more computer nerds in the list of the wealthiest people than any other other profession; Bezos, Gates, Zuckerberg, Page, Brin, Ellison, etc. Tech is hardly a field that represses people because of their skin color (or sex, for that matter). Its one of the most PC industries in existence. You do, however, need a significant amount of knowledge (not education) to succeed in that field. It should come as no surprise that blacks would be underrepresented in the top tiers of that field since, as previously noted, African Americans don't place much value in acquiring knowledge.
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I'm "literally" the only one who thinks so?!? LOL, Honestly, this is the first time i've heard of this movement to be honest with you so i'm assuming it must not have been that big of a deal. Also, that movement is just trying to move democrats to republicans is seems pretty much like propaganda to me. I don't think this has much to do with Obama. Regardless of who is president, there will always be people who do not agree with his/her policies so i'm not surprised you hate Obama or whatever, but believe it or not, in the eyes of many, he did a good job in office.
I don't care about Black Lives matter any more than I care about La Raza, the Ku Klux Klan, or any other racist identity politics group. As social groups, people can do what they want, but these racist groups should play no role in policy. So then you do care if you think these are "racist groups" and should "play no role in policy". And I have already told you the intensions of these groups aren't to change policy or changes through government unless necessary. Their main intensions are to work with the people being discriminated against and focuses on directly helping them while attempting to educate people like you (which they failed to do clearly) so to provide a better and more equal society and none of this supremacist crap that you praise.
Nope, almost all of the findings come from 2012. If you have something better, and something more than your feelings, please post it.
Go look at any other sources and you'll see different. I'm not saying Africa is safer than the United States as a whole, but you are greatly exaggerating on how "dangerous" Africa is. This is the first source I saw, count how many countries are safer or nearly as safe as the United States https://safearound.com/danger-rankings/
Lovely; why are you talking about the American Embassy? I never mentioned them and the map has nothing whatsoever to do with them. I am mentioning it because I'm assuming you are American, and so the American Embassy is your main source of information when traveling overseas. They are the ones who provide "the best" information and warnings not only to you, but to other travel sites to inform Americans before traveling. And after being in over five different countries in Africa I can tell you that the warnings are greatly exaggerated.
I'm not implying anything, you're inferring, and poorly again. My only point was that you can hardly expect a country to be able to compete academically when half the population is prohibited from enrolling in education. How are they prohibiting education? The issue is the access/availability to education and financing, not weather or not its allowed.
Ah, the standard "never let the facts get in the way of a good narrative" reply. How dare anyone other than blacks and women try to play the victim card. Those are the only true grievance groups. Thus spake @beckysmith. No offense, but this is why I believe you're really a black woman. LOL maybe in my previous life I was. No offense taken. I actually care about women and about African Americans. so I feel honored that you think i'm a black woman. I care about everyone I don't care if you're blue, transgender, fat, disabled I will fight for everyones rights while you fight for your own and only your own.
The goal of Black Lives Matter is to gain special advantages for a race of people to which they're not entitled based on merit. They are, by definition, a racist organization. I don't tolerate racism, it's a pity you do. Your just chasing your own tail here. Black lives matter isn't to make African Americans superior so do not worry, your race will not be affected. I don't know how many times I have to tell you the goal is for equality not superiority. You see, your problem is that you think these groups are racist and sexist but they really aren't. Just because something supports one society in need, doesn't mean it is discriminating and that everyone else should feel entitled to the same aid which they don't need.
Oh, so then we can start rolling back the special considerations weren't making to the black community. They deserve fewer protections, not more. Yes, maybe fewer. Or maybe the same amount but in different ways. Areas like the ghettos are huge issues in the United States and are a huge issue. Breaking down predetermined stereotypes some police officers have against African Americans leading to unlawful killings is still a big issue. The number of African Americans in leadership positions in businesses is still minuscule. So the answer to this is maybe, maybe not.
There isn't a single economist worthy of the title that will say compounding non-existent capital will get you anything more than compounded misery. As you have already admitted, wealth is rarely retained from one generation to the next. Almost all wealth is squandered, there is nothing to compound. Your fairy tale fails. Okay, I will leave you and your ignorance be. It's sad to see your ignorance block you and knowledge of the world. You failed to even try is the worst part. literally look up "socioeconomic impact from compounding". Or heck, even "compounding". Any economist knows. You can't even find a Fox news article showing otherwise lol. And that says something. It's even more solidified than "the Earth is round". Go look it up
There are more computer nerds in the list of the wealthiest people than any other other profession; Bezos, Gates, Zuckerberg, Page, Brin, Ellison, etc. Tech is hardly a field that represses people because of their skin color (or sex, for that matter). Its one of the most PC industries in existence. You do, however, need a significant amount of knowledge (not education) to succeed in that field. It should come as no surprise that blacks would be underrepresented in the top tiers of that field since, as previously noted, African Americans don't place much value in acquiring knowledge. Thats false. Computers were invented in 1936 and it wasn't the tech stock boom occurred only in the 1990's-2000s so fairly recently. Business has been around basically since humans were able to communicate. The largest industry still isn't even tech, it's Real Estate. So you would be right if you said computer nerds are going to be the wealthiest people or are the most upcoming wealthiest people than any other profession. You said skin color and sex doesn't matter in that industry. While its true that it did not matter as much as compared to other industries, you do know every large tech company today acquired a large investment to get started right? Do you know how much harder and less likely it is to get an investment if you are Black or a woman? It was not a level playing field. And exactlyy. African Americans did not value education. So why do you claim that a group which is trying to support their education as being a racist group? This is white supremacy in its purest most visible form.
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"Black people on average are less competitive when applying to universities, than white people, as a result of discrimination."
You identify here that the source of the lack of competitiveness in blacks is a result of discrimination, not qualification. So the answer isn't that they need to be more qualified, many already are, and the answer also isn't quotas per say, as that doesn't fix discrimination, although science has backed up that large diversity around children lowers rates of discrimination when they are adults.
There are still places that won't hire people because they are black. I worked at one, ivy league black student applied to work at the pizza shop I worked at. We had multiple spots open. The kid was never called back and instead white ex-cons were hired. The owner told me himself he is racist. His son told me their family is racist. How can anyone possibly prove this kid wasn't hired because he is black without the inside knowledge of the families own admissions combined with the history of never hiring a single black person in a city with a pretty high black population? Now this can't possibly be the only pizza shop in America that doesn't hire black people on the basis of their skin color, even though that's illegal. I wonder how many pizza shops don't hire white people?
The answer is solve discrimination and the best way I've seen to do that demonstrably is integration for kids as they grow up, high School level and lower. Build the familiarity. I rely on a lot of the same arguments presented in "parents of community schools vs Seattle school district number 1" which the supreme Court ruled their was no compelling state interest in setting up the demographics of the city schools to each reflect more closely the demographics of the overall city. They didn't rule that it doesn't help combat discrimination, just that there was no compelling interest to do so.
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https://thehill.com/polls/236627-hill-poll-majority-feel-obama-has-changed-country-for-worse
Yeah, you keep saying that, but what you say is COMPLETELY at odds with Black Lives Matter’s stated goals.
That's education to you?!? It sure sounds like policy to me.
I guess what they say is true, you really can find anything on the internet if you search long enough and hard enough. The results of Googling “World Safety Maps” are ALL pretty much the same;
https://travelmaps.state.gov/TSGMap/
https://smartraveller.gov.au/Maps/Africa.pdf
https://www.ainonline.com/sites/default/files/uploads/2015/12/medaire_travelriskmap-2016_web-1.jpg
https://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/international/Screen%20Shot%202013-04-02%20at%2012.16.19%20PM.png
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-5088977/World-s-dangerous-countries-revealed.html
Africa doesn’t even look all that good on the site you cited;
https://safearound.com/africa/
Additionally, if you actually click on any of the countries listed on the safety list you posted, you get the following message for every country, the sole change being the name of the country.
...except I had already stated that the US State Dept wasn’t one of my sources. My sources at that time were the UN and Wikivoyage.
http://en.rfi.fr/africa/20150329-sierra-leone-pregnant-girls-barred-school-human-rights-education-ebola-education
Right, Black Lives Matter isn’t trying to make blacks superior, it’s just trying to give them undeserved advantages. By definition, whenever you give one group an advantage you put all the other groups at a disadvantage.
LOL, so when do race/gender/whatever based advantages go away? This is one of the biggest problems with this type of legislation, they’re always open-ended. They never go away regardless of societal changes. In fact, they are only expanded and new groups are added. We’ll soon get to the point where the overriding hiring consideration with be getting the correct numbers of the right race/sex/etc people instead of people who can actually do the job. Don’t think that can happen? It already is.
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/09/25/where_white_men_can_jump_in_the_diversity_game.html
You keep saying “every economist knows”, but you never post any links. Talk is cheap. Post some proof. Show me any, ANY, economist that can explain how anyone can get rich off of compounding squandered/non-existent wealth.
https://www.thebalance.com/what-are-the-sectors-and-industries-of-the-sandp-500-3957507
In addition, I have already posted a link to the world’s wealthiest people. The richest real estate magnate is Hui Ka Yan of China in 26th place. Microsoft started in a garage and Facebook started in a dorm room. No one gets an investment without being able to demonstrate a return on the investment. That’s the real stumbling block. Blacks tend to segregate themselves to their own neighborhoods and their own kind. Since blacks tend to be poor, black businesses tend to start out with a shaky customer base. The only color investors care about is green.
As for Black Lives Matter’s education demands, they aren’t set up to raise the level of knowledge in the black community. At best, they’ll dumb down everyone else closer to their level. They are excuses for what you have already admitted, that black people don’t value knowledge. How are any of these objectives going to make anyone smarter?  Considerate: 57%  
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https://thehill.com/polls/236627-hill-poll-majority-feel-obama-has-changed-country-for-worse
I will agree with you on that. Why should i watch crap like fox news anyways? All they talk about is feminists suck, obama sucks, trump is god and has fans. Why should I watch that?? And again you provided a poll from a biased site, so what do you expect? Talk about never leaving a one-sided political media bubble..
Yeah, you keep saying that, but what you say is COMPLETELY at odds with Black Lives Matter’s stated goals.
That's education to you?!? It sure sounds like policy to me.
http://en.rfi.fr/africa/20150329-sierra-leone-pregnant-girls-barred-school-human-rights-education-ebola-education
More BS. If you promote unwarranted advantages based on race as you do, you’re putting everyone who isn’t in the protected class at a disadvantage. Fighting for everyone’s rights is the OPPOSITE of what you’re doing. I promote real equality by supporting equal treatment for all. Racial consideration should be kept to a bare minimum.
You can't promote "real equality" and not support those in need..
Right, Black Lives Matter isn’t trying to make blacks superior, it’s just trying to give them undeserved advantages. By definition, whenever you give one group an advantage you put all the other groups at a disadvantage.
Undeserved?? So what makes all other races deserving? Do you ever stop and hear your choice of words. And you make no sense. So you promote equality, one person is at a disadvantage but you think its wrong to give him help because it will make the advantaged person at a disadvantage even though he is advantaged already? You're just playing victim and feeling entitled.
You keep saying “every economist knows”, but you never post any links. Talk is cheap. Post some proof. Show me any, ANY, economist that can explain how anyone can get rich off of compounding squandered/non-existent wealth. I gave you proof. ANY economist knows. How many times do I have to tell you to look up compounding. Click on the first article you will see and then try telling me im wrong. Better yet, look up socioeconomic impact from compounding and your mind will be blown.
^ When you know i'm right and can't think of a counter argument LOL
In addition, I have already posted a link to the world’s wealthiest people. The richest real estate magnate is Hui Ka Yan of China in 26th place. Microsoft started in a garage and Facebook started in a dorm room. No one gets an investment without being able to demonstrate a return on the investment. That’s the real stumbling block. Blacks tend to segregate themselves to their own neighborhoods and their own kind. Since blacks tend to be poor, black businesses tend to start out with a shaky customer base. The only color investors care about is green.
You're right Facebook started in a dorm room. Do you know where he went to school? Harvard University incase you didn't know. Do you know how many connections and opportunities you get there? Do you know what the black population in Harvard was at the time Mark was there making Facebook? 6.3%. And not to mention many of them were lucky enough to be supported by the sports program. Today the number of African American leaders in the tech industry (includes microsoft and facebook) is less than 2%. It is uncommon for them to receive investment or support financially, or even partnerships in business. You know even though Facebook was founded in a dorm room Mark received millions of dollars in todays money in seed investments before he even received investments from VC's? Do you know the population of wealthy african americans back in the 1970s when microsoft was created? The Fair Housing Act wasn't even in effect until 1968, just 7 years before microsoft was created. You think its equal just becuase laws say dont discriminate. There's speed limits on every road does that mean everyone obeys it? Stereotypes are in place, especially back in the early 2000s and still continue today even though they aren't as prominent. A white man was almost 10x more likely to receive an investment than an african american person in the 1990s. Tell me thats fair. I wish that the only color investors care about is green. We are not in a fantasy land.
As for Black Lives Matter’s education demands, they aren’t set up to raise the level of knowledge in the black community. At best, they’ll dumb down everyone else closer to their level. They are excuses for what you have already admitted, that black people don’t value knowledge. How are any of these objectives going to make anyone smarter?
You're just flat out racist and disrespectful. Im sure this is exactly what you say at your KKK meetings. You're a white supremacist that doesn't want policy change - fine. Read what I say clearly and this time don't change it with your rhetoric again. first off, im not saying it is an excuse that African Americans didn't value education. They didn't value education as much just because that is their culture. That is just one small piece of the puzzle. You are saying they didn't value education therefore their hopeless and nothing will make them better. I'm saying their education system is already improving and number of graduates and college attendees are improving. All I said that they didn't value education in the past. Doesn't mean we shouldn't help them now.
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lol so laws preventing/ending slavery for example is racist and you should feel offended because the government attacked white people's rights? Didn't know thats what racism is..
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/11/29/247-wall-st-worst-countries-women/19630755/
So whats your point? Are you still trying to say that muslims are bad again? I never said coincidence, but you do know that correlation does not equal to causation right? Common sense
Incorrect; you can’t promote equality by advocating for one race or a group of races above the other races. You need to choose. What's more important, helping those in need or fighting racism?
Why can't both be helped at the same time? Who are you to say we need to chose one or the other? Racism is sparked when advocate groups like Black Lives Matter are made because of people like you. You are used to being prioritized and entitled and when someone else gets the attention you feel offended. If you would be like any normal person and understand the reason for these groups then there would be no racism resulting because of it, and would result in more peace and equality.
No race deserves to be placed ahead of the others.
BLACK LIVES MATTER IS FOR EQUALITY NOT FOR SUPERIORITY. Don't know how many times I have to explain that to you.
Once again, I don’t condone racism. It’s a shame you do. All races should be treated equally in the eyes of the law. We aren’t talking about one person. You don’t even view people as individuals all you see are the groups that people belong to. You want to give one RACE of people advantages. That the very definition of racism. Who’s playing the victim card here? (Hint, it isn’t me)
Laws removing rights to own a black slave gave black people advantages. Same as how they gave asians advantages (Asian slaves). Are you going to whine about how ridiculous those laws are too?
That is a flat-out LIE. You have NEVER EVER posted a link to your imaginary theory. You just pulled it out of your crack and said “every economist agrees with me”. I HAVE LOOKED IT UP. THERE IS NOTHING THERE. I’ve seen people on the internet lie before, it’s hardly mind-blowing.
Its not a matter of agreeing with me, you're just denying a fact. I can tell you haven't graduated highschool yet and probably are in middleschool which is why you're unable to understand the concept. When you learn about it in economics class, remember me
It wouldn’t have mattered what color the inventor of Facebook was, they’d have had no problem getting investors had they been black, white, green, purple
https://techcrunch.com/2015/10/06/s23p-racial-gender-diversity-venture/
https://www.inc.com/this-way-up/why-black-women-arent-getting-their-fair-share-of-investment-and-what-we-can-do-about-it.html
Hopefully this doesn't trigger your entitlement, and just know this is the inequality TODAY. 20+ years ago when Facebook and Microsoft was invented it was 10-20x worse.
Succeeding in the tech industry requires a lot of knowledge of tech, knowledge that, as we have both agreed, the black community doesn’t value. The lack of industry leaders in tech is more an illustration of how little value the black community places in knowledge than anything else.
Okay you're only point that you keep repeating is that black people don't value education. Every single argument you make is so repetitive so i don't know what to say..
That’s rich, a racist calling someone who wants equality a racist. I guess that’s what you black supremacists tell each other at your New Black Panther events. “They didn't value education as much just because that is their culture.”
I like how I attack you for your racist views and you keep attacking all black people for being "racist". Your mother must be proud of you.
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Judging from your posts to date, you really don't know what racism is.
I'm not big on religion in general, but Islam is probably the worst of the major religions, particularly from an equality standpoint.
I've just explained why you can't have both at the same time. I'll say it again, you can’t promote equality by advocating for one race or a group of races above the other races. You need to choose what's more important, equality or helping a group of people? Racist groups like Black Lives Matter have made their choice; to paraphrase the last Templar knight, "they chose ... poorly". Making decisions and promoting policy based on race is racism, and is almost always a bad decision. No race should be entitled to special treatment. It really is a shame you approve of racism.
Equality is the last thing Black Lives Matter wants. They want special treatment. It doesn't matter how many times you say it, it's always wrong and it will continue to be wrong unless and until such time as Black Lives Matters fundamentally transforms itself and it's goals.
I've just noticed you have avoided answering an important question I asked previously. When and under what circumstances do race/gender/whatever based advantages go away? Who gets to decide? Do we have to wait for Jesse Jackson and the Rainbow Coalition to say "OK, that's enough, black people don't need quotas anymore". Do we need to wait for the National Association for Girls (NAGs) to decide for women? Even you can see the obvious problems with that.
No it didn't, it made black people and Asian people equal to whites. As I've maintained all along, laws/rules/regulations etc. that give special treatment to people based in race are almost always wrong.
LOL, when I went to school, they still taught facts as facts, not the garbage they teach as facts today. That's how I can tell you're an indoctrinated millennial. You think you can call something a fact just by the act of posting something with no corroboration. You can do that, but it isn't at all persuasive. In fact, all that does is hurt your credibility. POST SOME PROOF!!! Repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it true, especially when it's a logic fallacy to begin with, like this is.
Succeeding in the tech industry requires a lot of knowledge of tech. As we have both agreed, the black community undervalues knowledge. The lack of industry leaders in tech is more an illustration of how little value the black community places in knowledge than anything else.
That was a point YOU made, one of your very few valid points. And I only brought it up here because YOU brought up wealthy people. The wealthiest people come from the tech industry. Education is vital in tech, so obviously people coming from a community that doesn't respect education will be underrepresented in that sector. The Amish are even more underrepresented in tech than black people. Is that proof of discrimination as well? Does the tech industry need to go out to one-room school houses in Lancaster county and try to recruit Amish tech engineers?
Of course she is, she raise someone who respects equality. Is your mother proud of the racist you grew in to?
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Don't avoid my question. Is the law abolishing slavery racist against white people?
I'm not big on religion in general, but Islam is probably the worst of the major religions, particularly from an equality standpoint.
Just because there are bad islamists doesn't mean you can go out and say all islamists are bad and don't allow education.
I've just explained why you can't have both at the same time. I'll say it again, you can’t promote equality by advocating for one race or a group of races above the other races. You need to choose what's more important, equality or helping a group of people? Racist groups like Black Lives Matter have made their choice; to paraphrase the last Templar knight, "they chose ... poorly". Making decisions and promoting policy based on race is racism, and is almost always a bad decision. No race should be entitled to special treatment. It really is a shame you approve of racism.
Thats a bunch of bull. How else do you expect to solve a problem? In sports if its unfair, the other team is penalized. In business if a company is too powerful it is penalized. Even in society, those in need are given aid. The way to solve an unbalance is by working on the disadvantaged side. Doesn't make sense to say this side is disadvantaged so help both sides the same way. You can use this analogy to anything else and you'll see the flaw in your logic.
I've just noticed you have avoided answering an important question I asked previously. When and under what circumstances do race/gender/whatever based advantages go away? Who gets to decide? Do we have to wait for Jesse Jackson and the Rainbow Coalition to say "OK, that's enough, black people don't need quotas anymore". Do we need to wait for the National Association for Girls (NAGs) to decide for women? Even you can see the obvious problems with that.
You never asked me this and I've indirectly answered this but ill say it again. Advantages go away when they are not needed. Also, you keep thinking of it as an advantage, but its an aid. It's educating, providing support, and getting rid of discrimination. The reason you think its racist is probably because you're thinking black lives matter is trying to give each black family a million dollars or something. You're way over your head and freaking out but its smaller than that. Its getting rid of the ghettos. Putting more kids in school. Changing peoples mindsets. Im talking about basic human rights. So you denying their rights is whats racist.
No it didn't, it made black people and Asian people equal to whites. As I've maintained all along, laws/rules/regulations etc. that give special treatment to people based in race are almost always wrong.
hahaha I cant take you seriously. It gave black people the right to own a home, vote, work for money and you're going to tell me it wasn't an advantage for them? Then in that case, why do you have such an issue with other EQUAL rights laws like such?
LOL, when I went to school, they still taught facts as facts, not the garbage they teach as facts today. That's how I can tell you're an indoctrinated millennial. You think you can call something a fact just by the act of posting something with no corroboration. You can do that, but it isn't at all persuasive. In fact, all that does is hurt your credibility. POST SOME PROOF!!! Repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it true, especially when it's a logic fallacy to begin with, like this is.
It's okay. I won't waste my time with you. One day you will learn about it. I literally showed you proof and you still deny.
Succeeding in the tech industry requires a lot of knowledge of tech. As we have both agreed, the black community undervalues knowledge. The lack of industry leaders in tech is more an illustration of how little value the black community places in knowledge than anything else.
I've mentioned to you many times about the chances of getting an investment being black vs being white and of course all you can say is black people don't value education.
That was a point YOU made, one of your very few valid points. And I only brought it up here because YOU brought up wealthy people. The wealthiest people come from the tech industry. Education is vital in tech, so obviously people coming from a community that doesn't respect education will be underrepresented in that sector. The Amish are even more underrepresented in tech than black people. Is that proof of discrimination as well? Does the tech industry need to go out to one-room school houses in Lancaster county and try to recruit Amish tech engineers?
Of course one of my few "valid" points is something you use as an insult to black people. Read up on discrimination in business.
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There aren’t any good Islamists.
In sports, teams get penalized if they break the rules, they don’t make special rules that give a specific advantage to a certain team no matter how badly that team performed in that game or season. In 2005, the KC Royals lost 19 games in a row. In 1889, the Louisville Colonels lost 26 games in a row. In neither instance did the officials make a special rule that the Royals or the Colonels start the game with X number of runs on the board or that their opponents have to make 2 runs to get one score or anything of the like. The teams played, the teams lost. They evaluated their errors and mistakes and came back better the next year.
Yes I did, you can scroll up the screen to see that on 28 Sept I asked;
How do they go away? Who gets to decide when they’re not needed? Why aren’t the advantages being reduced now (instead they’re being increased), despite the fact that there is less discrimination now than ever?
Nonsense, those weren’t advantages given to blacks and Asians, that was removing disadvantages from blacks and Asians that never should have been there in the first place. It furthered equality. As I've maintained all along, laws/rules/regulations etc. that give special treatment to people based in race are almost always wrong regardless of who they help or hurt.
LOL, so you still can’t come up with any corroboration for your fantasy and forfeit the argument. Noted.
...and I’ve mentioned about the chances of getting an investment for tech being Amish vs being black and you completely ignored it. Is that proof of discrimination as well?
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be trippin all over the place!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t15O0R4kVMc
I ain't care bout " she got a excellent education" or experience in "law and economics" if you sittin out here tryin to sound like you black, callin Black brothas "super predators" , tryin to push gun control, and are tryin to fight with Russia, you ain't fit for no White House. That's why I had voted for my man Trump. I ain't no Trump supporter either, just a voter. And I think he ain't do too bad for his first year, but he did good. Hillary would have made this country WORSE than Trump, and we could have had a possible WW3, and I'm gonna tell you this, I ain't got no time for no wars, so Hillary? Hell naw.
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